Lian Li F1: The Desk As the Computer
by Joshua Buss on August 7, 2005 7:35 AM EST- Posted in
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Final Thoughts
Anyone who has ever used a computer long enough will surely attest to the difference that a nice desk makes. While someone with plenty to spend on an elite work center certainly has numerous options, most expensive wooden desks are not inspired or designed by true technology enthusiasts. We do not feel that it does this desk justice to try to evaluate whether or not it is worth the asking price by looking at it piece by piece because plenty of people out there will be perfectly happy with a forty-dollar plastic fold-up table for their desk. Instead, we feel as though this product fills a niche for the consumer who has already decided that they have a certain price range in mind or for the elitist who simply wants either "the best" or at least something totally new and different.A better question then emerges; would the F1 / F2 drive someone who is looking for a very nice desk (but perhaps around the $1,000 price point and not the $3,000 one) to consider spending three times as much for this type of product? This is a tough call. While the Lian Li desk certainly is one of the best of computer desks, it is also the only of its kind. Other manufacturers might see the release of this product as a chance to get into the same business as well, so it's very possible that the F1 / F2 will have competition in the future, and thus lowering the price - but for now, if someone is looking for a desk like this, they really do not have anything to compare it to.
What we can say about the latest from Lian Li is that it is very well designed, manufactured, and finished, and that it represents something completely unique - definately a product that is at the very top of its class. There just isn't much about the F1 that we reviewed that we didn't like, and the PC V1000 case is also one of the very best ATX cases available on the market today - a perfect combination. If you have the kind of dough to even consider something like this, it comes very highly recommended from us here at AnandTech.
Once more, there is a sub-article also available that illustrates the whole assembly process in greater detail for those seriously interested in this desk. The zip can be downloaded by clicking here.
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Beenthere - Monday, August 8, 2005 - link
Sorry but it makes no sense to me. If it works for you great. You got a lot more time to waste than I have.tonyou - Monday, August 8, 2005 - link
The idea of making an aluminum desk in which you can place a PC inside has already been done three years ago by Soldam:http://www3.soldam.co.jp/custom/prism/index.html">http://www3.soldam.co.jp/custom/prism/index.html
uffda - Monday, August 8, 2005 - link
3 things...OK, first off, I have to say the review was quite good and extremely thorough. Good job to the reviewer.
Second, it's great desk, no doubt about it. And its nice to see people taking workstations seriously. I work in a Steelcase Cube...and I think this would be a solid competitor to that.
Third, the price is simply too much for the normal user. However, for a business this is not an outrageous price.
uffda - Monday, August 8, 2005 - link
Hate to reply to myself...but with no edit option I must.One BIG problem with this desk is that it would not pass Ergonomics standards at many large companies...and with good reason, the legs don't have enough ability to move up and down... I won't even go into the side table which looks like an elbow whacker to me.
wilburpan - Monday, August 8, 2005 - link
If Lian Li was going to go to the trouble to build an aluminum computer desk, why not use the whole desk as a heat sink? With some creative placement and mounting of computer components right onto the aluminum parts of the desk, one could imagine a completely silent PC that is actually built into the desk. If you are going to put a multimedia port on the desktop, why not also a bay for an optical drive? You could mount the motherboard underneath the top of the desk or on the back panel and use heatpipes to cool the CPU, GPU, and North/Southbridges. This probably is not as crazy as it might sound -- I have to believe that a full size office desk has more heatsinking capacity than the http://www.zalmanusa.com/usa/product/view.asp?idx=...">Zalman TNN-500AF case.Now, that might be worth $3000.
tukkus - Sunday, August 7, 2005 - link
the review is fine, the only problem with it is the extra zero at the end of the price taglian li looks like he just wants to make more money off of his name because i can't see how anyone can justify the price for that desk
TrogdorJW - Sunday, August 7, 2005 - link
Obviously I'm in the minority here, because I'm 32, married, and out of school. Trust me on this one: once you're older and looking at buying furniture for a house, $3000 for a nice desk is NOT uncommon. Does this desk qualify? It all depends on the person. My wife works as a salesperson at a furniture store, and many of their large wooden desks run up to $2000 with all the side tables and such. (One benefit of purchasing furniture from a nicer chain is that they'll deliver it to your house and set it up, which is something the Lian Li doesn't offer right now.)Basically, if you wouldn't even think about spending $500 on a desk, let alone $3000, just shrug your shoulders and move on. The desk looks reasonably nice to me, and it certainly beats the crap out of my computer desk. My desk it too short and doesn't allow me to stretch my legs - that's rather annoying for someone who's 6'3". Also consider this: how long will a $3000 computer last? Five years if you're willing to really stretch it, but it's going to be a rather mediocre PC for the last year or two. How long will a NICE computer desk last? Potentially decades!
Those of you talking about the plastic shipping boxes with a large door over the top might think that's perfectly acceptable. Well, it *IS* among geeks. What would a girl think when she walks into your apartment? (Has a girl even been in there? Alpha geeks have issues with women sometimes....) Let's just make this clear: if you have a girlfriend that doesn't mind a pile of boxes with an old door serving as a computer desk, she's a very rare creature. Personally, I'd say you should find someone else that does give a damn, because I shudder to think about what type of children such a pairing would create. For what it's worth, two fashion-impaired/dumpster diver people are NOT the type of couple I'd want to have renting a home or apartment I owned.
Zirconium - Monday, August 8, 2005 - link
First, I'll address your ad-hominem attacks.It's also acceptable for college students, many of whom have to pay their own way. The fellow I was describing was going to college on a combination of merit scholarships and financial aid, was working at a supermarket to pay for rent/books/food/etc., and had minimal parental help. If he could save X-hundred dollars by going with a cheap desk, he was.
Considering the female apartments I've seen while at school, I didn't think his was too shabby.
Gee, I wonder why people don't like renting to undergrads.
Now onto the tangible arguments:
This desk may last decades, but would you like to have it around for that long? The case holder unit seems tailored to a specific case. Suppose Intel is successful in the transition to BTX? Suppose in ten years, tower-like cases go the way of the dodo? You are left with a desk that was designed for one thing, but that thing is no longer around.
If I was to spend $3000 on a desk, I'd go with a large, solid mahogany one with no keyboard trays, monitor stands, computer bays, cable holes, etc. Just a desk with drawers that will be sure to last because it isn't designed specifically to be a computer desk.
at80eighty - Monday, August 8, 2005 - link
...if you have a girlfriend that doesn't mind a pile of boxes with an old door serving as a computer desk, she's a very rare creature. Personally, I'd say you should find someone else that does give a damn, because I shudder to think about what type of children such a pairing would create. For what it's worth, two fashion-impaired/dumpster diver people are NOT the type of couple I'd want to have renting a home or apartment I owned...I do rather well for myself and have no issues with taste being raised against me, so your comment does'nt cover me -
that said :- that was the most snobby POS comment i have ever heard on AT! if someone is 'fashion impaired' you aren't going to rent our your home to them!?! W T F?!?! One would think that age, marraige and being out of school would impart a sliver of tact in a person...
/funny thing is i actually agreed with you uptil that
//Crap like that gets a '4' ? - i'd rather be modded down!
TrogdorJW - Tuesday, August 9, 2005 - link
I guess that came off worse than I wanted. There are so many comments ripping on the price that my main point is people have different priorities. It was sort of a slam on college and younger kids, but let me explain. It's not that ALL college people live in their own little bubble, but a lot of the "OMG LOOK HOW EXPENSIVE!!!" comments are obviously thinking *only* their view of the world could possibly be right. It's not, just as my comments are not the only interpretation of things either.I'd edit out the last part if I could (what, no edit still!?), but the fact of life is that people *will* judge you by such petty things as fashion sense. Showing up to interviews in a tie is always a good idea, as is keeping your house clean. If you're using a piece of plywood on cinder blocks for a desk, does that make you a terrible renter? Does it make you a lousy person? Nope. However, don't be surprised if/when some people look at that and think, "this guy needs to get out more!" That's what I was trying to say.
The comments about girls were more from the perspective that I think a good relationship should broaden the horizons of both people. Marrying (or even dating)someone that's just like you doesn't do much for me. It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry gets involved with a gal that's too much like him. If you can make such a relationship work, you're free to try, but *IMO* it's going to lead to a rather dull life.
Now, don't get me wrong: *I* would never buy such a desk as this. I'd probably be looking at $1000 tops, and as someone else mentioned the chair is at least as important as the desk in terms of comfort. A balance needs to be maintained, though, as neither a crappy desk with a great chair or a great desk with a crappy chair are likely to provide the same overall comfort as a good desk with a good chair. $1000 for a desk and $250 for a chair seems reasonable. $3000 for a desk and $500+ for a chair is also going to appeal to certain people. Cheap/free chairs and desks/tables/boxes/whatever can work in a pinch, but long term they suck. (I too was once a college student, and I had a $50 desk with a wooden kitchen chair. My butt and back still haven't forgiven me....)
Sorry if I overly offended someone. That wasn't the intent. I merely wanted to point out the contrary opinion and show that not *everyone* thinks $3000 for a desk is the end of the world. (I'm sure some are happy that my original post is locked at -1 now. Then again, few people are likely to actually notice this response in the first place.)