Conroe Buying Guide: Feeding the Monster
by Gary Key & Wesley Fink on July 19, 2006 6:20 AM EST- Posted in
- Motherboards
Biostar TForce P965 Deluxe
Basic Features
Biostar has delivered a basic but performance oriented P965 board that should sell for around US $135 or under. While our board and BIOS are from the first production run, we were surprised after dealing with our other P965 based boards at how stable and generally dialed in this board is right now. Although we certainly believe that future BIOS releases will extract additional performance from this board, it was nice to boot up this board and have it just plain work as advertised. This board did not require a BIOS of the day or week to work with various Conroe steppings or to address memory performance and stability issues.
The layout of the board is very nice with a double slot next to the PCIe X16 connector that allows the use of dual slot GPU cards without losing either a PCIe or PCI connector. We think Biostar provided the right combination of PCIe and PCI slots for today's market considerations. While the 24-pin ATX power connection is in an awkward position, Biostar stated this was the best possible location for stable power delivery, and we are seeing this location utilized more and more on other P965 and 975X boards now. The floppy drive connector is also located at the opposite end of the board and for those still using this type of drive it will create a cabling issue. Overall, we like the general layout and options on this board.
Basic Performance
The performance of the board was at times in the upper segment of our roundup and at others near the bottom when excluding the ASRock value board. We found the board to be a very consistent performer and extremely stable up to its limit. Unfortunately, we do not know what the true limit of this board will be until we see further BIOS optimizations and improvements in the memory voltages. As with recent Biostar boards in the new TForce series, we see significant BIOS options available for the performance oriented crowd yet they have once again let us down on memory voltages.
This board only supports up to 2.2V and only allows four total memory voltage choices. Without additional memory voltages up to 2.4V that we see in the majority of boards being released at this time, it was impossible to really push our memory and improve the overall performance of the board when overclocking. We once again contacted Biostar and chastised them for this omission. One could argue that a board in this market sector would probably not require higher memory voltages but a board being marketed for the performance user should include voltages up to 2.4V along with additional adjustments. The balance of the BIOS is obviously tailored for this type of user and unlike others we have tested this BIOS was stable and almost error free for a first release.
We still believe overall that this board is a great value at this time and offers what appears to be the best blend of performance and price in our roundup. While Gigabyte, Foxconn, ECS, Abit, and others have released or are in the process of releasing mainstream P965 boards, we congratulate Biostar for having a board of this quality available quickly.
Overclocking
We were quite surprised by our overclocking results on this board but we did have to gradually increase the FSB speeds and alter the memory settings in order to reach this level. While this is generally indicative of a board at its limits, we believe part of the hunt and search activities that were required are due to a BIOS designed for stability/compatibility first with hopefully the inevitable performance tuning coming in the next revision.
When we installed our X6800 and started testing for maximum FSB overclocking we were treated with a 9x379 result that indicates additional headroom is available on this board and hopefully the board will reward us with higher overclocks in the next BIOS revision, so we might find the true FSB ceiling on the board to be near 380.
Basic Features
Biostar TForce P965 Deluxe | |
Market Segment: | Mid-Range/Performance |
CPU Interface: | Socket T (Socket 775) |
CPU Support: | LGA775-based Pentium 4, Celeron D, Pentium D, Core 2 Duo |
Chipset: | Intel P965 + ICH8R |
Bus Speeds: | 266 to 500 in 1MHz Increments |
Memory Speeds: | Auto, 533, 667, 800 |
PCIe Speeds: | Auto, CPU, Fixed at 100MHz, 100MHz~200MHz |
PCI: | Fixed at 33 |
Dynamic Tuning: | V6 Tech - 10%~15% V8 Tech - 15%~25% V12 Tech - 25%~30% |
Core Voltage: | Startup, 1.10000V to 1.80000V in 0.00625V increments |
CPU Clock Multiplier: | Auto, 6x-11x in 1X increments if CPU is unlocked |
DRAM Voltage: | 1.8V, 2.0V, 2.1V, 2.2V |
DRAM Timing Control: | SPD, 8 Options |
FSB Termination Voltage: | Auto, 1.2V, 1.3V, 1.4V, 1.5V |
NB/SB Voltage: | Auto,1.5V, 1.6V, 1.7V, 1.8V |
Memory Slots: | Four 240-pin DDR2 DIMM Slots Dual-Channel Configuration Regular Unbuffered Memory to 8GB Total |
Expansion Slots: | 1 - PCIe X16 1 - PCIe X4 1 - PCIe X1 3 - PCI Slots 2.3 |
Onboard SATA/RAID: | 6 SATA 3Gbps Ports - Intel ICH8R (RAID 0,1,1+0,5,JBOD) |
Onboard IDE: | 1 Standard ATA133/100/66/33 Port (2 drives) VIA VT6410 |
Onboard USB 2.0/IEEE-1394: | 10 USB 2.0 Ports - 6 I/O Panel 4 Headers No Firewire Support |
Onboard LAN: | Gigabit Ethernet Controller Realtek RTL 8110SC |
Onboard Audio: | Realtek ALC883 HD-Audio 8-channel CODEC |
Power Connectors: | ATX 24-pin, 4-pin EATX 12V |
I/O Panel: | 1 x Serial 1 x PS/2 Keyboard 1 x PS/2 Mouse 1 x RJ45 6 x USB 2.0/1.1 8-Channel Audio I/O |
BIOS Revision: | AWARD ip96a614 |
Biostar has delivered a basic but performance oriented P965 board that should sell for around US $135 or under. While our board and BIOS are from the first production run, we were surprised after dealing with our other P965 based boards at how stable and generally dialed in this board is right now. Although we certainly believe that future BIOS releases will extract additional performance from this board, it was nice to boot up this board and have it just plain work as advertised. This board did not require a BIOS of the day or week to work with various Conroe steppings or to address memory performance and stability issues.
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The layout of the board is very nice with a double slot next to the PCIe X16 connector that allows the use of dual slot GPU cards without losing either a PCIe or PCI connector. We think Biostar provided the right combination of PCIe and PCI slots for today's market considerations. While the 24-pin ATX power connection is in an awkward position, Biostar stated this was the best possible location for stable power delivery, and we are seeing this location utilized more and more on other P965 and 975X boards now. The floppy drive connector is also located at the opposite end of the board and for those still using this type of drive it will create a cabling issue. Overall, we like the general layout and options on this board.
Basic Performance
The performance of the board was at times in the upper segment of our roundup and at others near the bottom when excluding the ASRock value board. We found the board to be a very consistent performer and extremely stable up to its limit. Unfortunately, we do not know what the true limit of this board will be until we see further BIOS optimizations and improvements in the memory voltages. As with recent Biostar boards in the new TForce series, we see significant BIOS options available for the performance oriented crowd yet they have once again let us down on memory voltages.
This board only supports up to 2.2V and only allows four total memory voltage choices. Without additional memory voltages up to 2.4V that we see in the majority of boards being released at this time, it was impossible to really push our memory and improve the overall performance of the board when overclocking. We once again contacted Biostar and chastised them for this omission. One could argue that a board in this market sector would probably not require higher memory voltages but a board being marketed for the performance user should include voltages up to 2.4V along with additional adjustments. The balance of the BIOS is obviously tailored for this type of user and unlike others we have tested this BIOS was stable and almost error free for a first release.
We still believe overall that this board is a great value at this time and offers what appears to be the best blend of performance and price in our roundup. While Gigabyte, Foxconn, ECS, Abit, and others have released or are in the process of releasing mainstream P965 boards, we congratulate Biostar for having a board of this quality available quickly.
Overclocking
Biostar TForce P965 Deluxe Overclocking Testbed |
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Processor: | Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Dual Core, 2.67GHz, 4MB Unified Cache 1066FSB, 10x Multiplier |
CPU Voltage: | 1.525V (default 1.2V) |
Cooling: | Tuniq Tower 120 Air Cooling |
Power Supply: | OCZ GameXStream 700W |
Memory: | Corsair Twin2X2048-PC2-8500C5 (2x1GB) (Micron Memory Chips) |
Hard Drive | Hitachi 250GB 7200RPM SATA2 16MB Cache |
Maximum OC: (Standard Ratio) |
364x10 (3-3-3-9) 3640MHz (+36%) |
We were quite surprised by our overclocking results on this board but we did have to gradually increase the FSB speeds and alter the memory settings in order to reach this level. While this is generally indicative of a board at its limits, we believe part of the hunt and search activities that were required are due to a BIOS designed for stability/compatibility first with hopefully the inevitable performance tuning coming in the next revision.
When we installed our X6800 and started testing for maximum FSB overclocking we were treated with a 9x379 result that indicates additional headroom is available on this board and hopefully the board will reward us with higher overclocks in the next BIOS revision, so we might find the true FSB ceiling on the board to be near 380.
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Gary Key - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
Hi,We used 0701. The bios versions used for each board are listed at the bottom of the features chart.
Thanks.
vmsein - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
I missed that! Thank you very much again:)Bochista - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
Can we see some results for 1920 x 1200 for 23 & 24 inch monitors as well as some 2560 x 1600 results for 30 inch monitors? Also, can we see the 7950 GX2 in action where all MBs would be on an equal SLI footing?Gary Key - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
We will place this on our suggestion list for Roundup Two and discuss it with the Video editors this week.ivoloos - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
The article says "Users need to realize that the nForce 590 SLI Intel Edition will still use the C19 SPP that is on this board."I remember me that a while ago I've read somewhere NVIDIA is busy with a new SPP that will replace the C19 and should arrive somewhere around Q1 next year. Someone know whether this is this correct, or will the C19 not be replaced?
Gary Key - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
Yes, NVIDIA is readying a new Intel Chipset that is scheduled for release in the winter. The current C19 is now at a C1 revision, the original P5N32-SLI shipped with revision A3.ivoloos - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
Ah, Thanks!!I plan to buy me a Core 2 Dou/Extreme system about a year from now, let's say somewhere around the release of Intels Bearlake chipset. The decision will be made then, after having a clear view at the features of that chipset and the new NVIDIA chipset.
The article, which is very good by the way, made some doubts rise about whether that what I've read was correct or not.
I'm curious about the period when we can expect the new NVIDIA chipset to appear on the motherboards. Any news about that (Q1/2007 perhaps?), or is too early to say something about this?
imaheadcase - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
I want to build a value SLI motherboard with conroe.Maybe compare 6 value SLI motherboards with conroe and 2 gigs of value ram in the future when boards are released?
Thanks!
RogueSpear - Thursday, July 20, 2006 - link
Am I the only one who thinks that the phrase "Value SLI" is a bit like "Military Intelligence" ?Gary Key - Thursday, July 20, 2006 - link
Great statement!!! :) I guess value in the sense that the 570SLI boards will be about $50~$75 less than the 590SLI boards. However, unless you want to really overclock the FSB, even the 570SLI boards will be a value compared to the P965 boards.