ASUS Maximus Extreme - the Extreme Benchmarker's Choice?
by Rajinder Gill on December 10, 2007 8:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Final Thoughts
The release of the Maximus Formula/Extreme boards meant the P35 Blitz Extreme became an EOL (End Of Life) product rather quickly. Because of this, users were eagerly awaiting a board that could surpass the performance of the Blitz Extreme - without needing modifications. We were hoping that the ASUS Maximus Extreme was going to be the board to fulfill the needs of today's extreme benchmarkers. It comes very close, but in our opinion it still needs another round of refinements in the BIOS and board components to capture this market.
Our benchmarking results of the Maximus series have shown users with top-end water-cooling or cascade that ASUS has two boards to choose from, without suffering from the loss of any major tweaking or performance options on lower priced boards. Despite using DDR2 and a few component changes, the ASUS Maximus Formula is not too far off in performance results from its more expensive cousin, and is currently surpassing the Maximus Extreme in terms of available CPU speed when using sub-zero cooling methods.
Those who use LN2, or other methods of extreme cooling with capable processors, will have to modify either motherboard in order to attain higher levels of stable CPU speeds. With 45nm processors scaling so well, it has become commonplace to see LN2 and dry ice cooling allow speeds well in excess of the 4.9GHz CPU wall that manifests itself on our test board after initial boot up.
We have to commend ASUS in providing excellent component compatibility (out of the box), though we expected as much, because most of the issues have already been solved in the earlier released Maximus Formula board. ASUS directly ported in many of the BIOS fixes on the Formula board into the Maximus Extreme BIOS code. The latest BIOS, 0803, is a very mature and capable release in all around testing with a wide variety of components.
Both Gigabyte and DFI are planning revised DDR3 boards based on the upcoming X48 chipset to compete in this same niche market. Until the release of new X48 products, ASUS continues to dominate this sector. Preliminary reports from several competitors suggest that ASUS is the only company that will be using a PCI-E bridge chip to provide the additional x8 slot for Tri-Fire capability. In fact, the untested Tri-Fire potential of the Maximus Extreme may prove to be a solid design choice and help ensure a longer life span for their Extreme series lineup.
Early testing of the upcoming X48 based P5E3 Premium from ASUS has shown small gains over current X38 boards when pushed hard, bearing in mind that these gains are only memory sub-timing related. Although these gains will probably be miniscule in actual applications, consumers of these products generally want the fastest option available. After all, that is what this end of the industry is all about - potential speed improvements to improve benchmark results or added performance for high-end gaming. The rub here is that the pre-release BIOS for the P5E3 Premium has more tweaking options than the current Maximus series and provides slightly better performance. This leaves us a little confused as to which board the extreme user will gravitate towards.
In order to establish a true pedigree for the ROG hierarchy, a systematic product tier needs to be clearly established. Users should know without confusion exactly what each board is able to accomplish. Perhaps we are overshadowing the Maximus Extreme too much with these statements. However, after early testing of the Premium X48 series, we can only wonder what ASUS has planned for the next ROG lineup to improve upon the new Premium lineup.
Summing it all up, if you need a water-cooled Northbridge, the potential of Tri-Fire, and a board that offers superb stability and performance, we would choose this board in a heartbeat. For an air-cooled solution, the ASUS P5E3 Deluxe offers almost the same levels of flexibility with a very extensive feature set. Even though ASUS reduced a few voltage ranges and changed components on the P5E3 Deluxe, overclocking with air and most water-cooling setups will not fully expose any deficiencies with the Deluxe board.
For DDR2 users who employ extreme cooling for benchmarking, the Maximus Formula is a little slower at the same processor speed, but provides a little more overhead for CPU MHz scaling. In the end, we think ASUS almost nailed the upper-end performance market with this board. We do not hesitate recommending this board if it suits your needs and cannot wait to see what the next ROG series brings us in the way of performance and features.
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takumsawsherman - Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - link
This is not really true, as Firewire800 has been out for some time, and eSATA is still not widely available. As for the comment above yours, Firewire800 is used in many media applications, and won't likely be eliminated soon (digital camera backs come to mind). And this doesn't answer my proposition that for $350, Firewire800 rather than Firewire400 should have been included. Why bother with the slower interface when you are paying for a "premium" product?I am sure that some manufacturers will be happy to see Firewire800 die. Heck, I'm sure they'd be happy if there was never a Firewire400, and we all used USB 1.1. After all, it's cheaper by 2 or 3 bucks, and that's what matters to them. Meanwhile, despite claims of durability, eSATA is still a weak connector, which is why you will still see photographers taking shots tethered to a Firewire800 bus when they're on location for years to come, rather than a eSATA connection.
For $350, they can add Firewire800. Heck, the price is just shy of 1/3 of a fully assembled iMac that includes Firewire800. Just for the motherboard.
retrospooty - Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - link
"Firewire800 has been out for some time, and eSATA is still not widely available"Yes it is widely available. It has been on nearly every high end and many mid range motherboards for over a year. Also, every major external drive maker has eSATA models... Not many fw800 at all.
I am not trying to flame you or anything, but firewire 800 isnt going to happen, not like fw400 did. At the time fw400 was the best interface. Now we have eSATA for hard drives and USB 3.0 coming in a year or two. FW800 is dead Jim.... its dead.
takumsawsherman - Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - link
I still don't see any media-based hardware that has eSATA. Much more firewire on that front. In fact, besides Hard Drive enclosures, I have not seen anything at all with eSATA.And again, if it is dead, why bother putting FW400 in? I mean, might as well save the user $5 from their $350 and eliminate it. Or, give them FW800 like you should have.
strikeback03 - Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - link
I'd imagine it's there just so they can have a checkmark next to "Firewire" in the comparison sheets. The only Firewire device I have ever used is our microscope camera, which I believe was designed prior to USB 2.0.I wouldn't say the eSata connector is weak, but the lack of flexibility in the cables is an annoyance.
takumsawsherman - Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - link
Ok, well I still haven't used a eSATA device. I have used an external SATA enclosure, as MOBO makers decided to start out with external SATA connectors and I've used a FW800 device that also has an eSATA port (Newer Technology ministack v3), but of course, the Mac it is attached to does not have eSATA. I'm happy they included it, though.The point still remains that at $350 they give you the old generation firewire instead of the new.
retrospooty - Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - link
Are there any motherboards with fw800 built in (other than maybe MAC)? just curious.takumsawsherman - Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - link
OK, my post ended up as a reply to the wrong post. Sorry.retrospooty - Monday, December 10, 2007 - link
Yes, USB kb/mice work in dos mode via a bios setting. just enable it.Etern205 - Monday, December 10, 2007 - link
I'm taking about wireless. Are you talking about wireless or wired?If it's wired then yes you'll have enable usb support for DOS if you want to use it.
strikeback03 - Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - link
My Bluetooth keyboard works now, however when I first installed Ubuntu I had the BIOS setting disabled, and the keyboard never worked in GRUB thereafter. Was not until I reinstalled with the BIOS setting enabled that I got the keyboard working in GRUB.Works in the BIOS regardless of the setting.