ASUS ROG Rampage Formula: Why we were wrong about the Intel X48
by Kris Boughton on January 25, 2008 4:30 AM EST- Posted in
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How to Choose an Appropriate Memory Configuration
Now that we have seen what impact tRD can have on memory performance, and we know how to determine whether certain memory configurations will work or not, the easiest way to go about deciding how to set up memory is to concentrate this knowledge into a table of candidates and then choose the best one. As you can see below, we have done just that.
Four target FSB frequencies (400, 450, 500 and 550MHz) were used in the construction of these tables. We chose these values because they represent the approximate best-case bus speeds for each tRD setting of concern (5, 6, 7, and 8). As we wrote earlier, the MCH can be overclocked in both the traditional sense - by raising the FSB - or by simply lowering the tRD from the default value at a specific bus speed. When these two effects are combined, the resulting strain on the MCH often requires a considerable amount of extra voltage in order to maintain stability. Because of this, MCH base operating frequency (i.e. FSB) increases detract from the ability to achieve the same low TRD values available at lower bus speeds. One of these two approaches to overclocking the MCH must be better than the other - the only question is which one is best? As it turns out the answer involves a delicate balance for each approach. Before we review our final recommendations, let's look at the contenders.
For the 400MHz FSB case three configurations stand out in particular - 1:1 for DDR2-800, CAS 3; 5:4 for DDR2-1000, CAS 4; and 3:2 for DDR2-1200, CAS 5. Of these three the last two are actually more appealing, not only because they offer the potential for higher memory bandwidths but also because a tRD of 5 is allowed for these configurations whereas CAS 3 operations using a 1:1 divider at 400MHz FSB is not possible with a tRD of 5. These results can be predicted using the "POST Test Equation" provided on the previous page. Those that choose to operate at 400MHz FSB (assuming this bus speed can be appropriately matched with one of their processor's available multipliers) need to decide whether to run the 5:4 or 3:2 divider. The decision might come down to the amount of memory being used - DDR2-1200 can be a rather lofty goal with four DIMMs installed, in which case DDR2-1000 would be the next best choice.
Moving on to the analysis at 450Mhz FSB, although we are able to show impressive memory read speeds at this same bus frequency using a 3:2 divider for DDR2-1350 CAS 5 at a tRD of 5, this configuration was far from stable on stock cooling alone - as was the memory speed. Most likely, the need to loosen tRD to 6 will be inevitable at this bus speed. Right from the start, we can see that TRD takes a hit as our minimum values thus far came at the lower 400Mhz FSB. What's more, possible memory configurations at this FSB do not seem to offer any real improvement over those at 400MHz. The first option worth considering, DDR2-900 at CAS 4, can be a little slow, especially considering that a tRD of 6 is not allowed. The DDR2-1200 choice will provide (at best) only miniscule gains over the same memory speed at 400MHz FSB because of the additional throughput efficiency made possible by the higher bus speed. Then again, the increase in TRD to 13.3ns, up from the minimum value of 12.5ns at 400MHz FSB, may completely negate any chance of a performance gain. Our last contender, DDR2-1080 at CAS 4, might be another neutral choice - on one hand there could be a small gain in performance over DDR2-1000 (CAS 4) seen at 400MHz FSB, but again the higher TRD may be this configuration's undoing.
The meaningful choices at 500MHz FSB are even bleaker - here we find only two that merit any kind of attention (although you might be able to argue a point for the DDR2-1250 configuration). Having to further loosen tRD to 7 only compounds the issue of the slipping TRD value that we first saw at 450MHz FSB. On top of this, the DDR2-1000 CAS 4 and DDR2-1200 CAS 5 memory speeds are not unique to this FSB, effectively removing any incentive in choosing this bus frequency. Furthermore, the 4:3 and greater dividers are practically worthless as they attempt to push DDR2 memory to mostly unattainable speeds. Considering this, there is only one reason we would ever recommend bus speeds this high and that would be in the case of a severely limited CPU multiplier in which the extra FSB is required by the processor alone.
Without a doubt, 550MHz FSB represents the coup de grâce of ridiculously high bus speeds with only one divider (1:1) providing any substance to this horrible choice in settings. Again, we see the uncontrollable relaxation of TRD (at 14.5ns), which when coupled with a memory configuration of DDR2-1100 at CAS 5 certainly does not create a situation worth writing home about. Why anyone would choose to run their system this way is beyond us.
If there is one thing our studies here should teach us, it's the futility of searching for maximum performance in outrageously high bus speeds. Truthfully, we would argue that the best selections are possible at the "low" FSB of 400Mhz. Let us make it perfectly clear by saying that none of us here at AnandTech would ever tell you that 400Mhz FSB is an inferior choice. In fact, many of us make heavy use of this exact bus speed when setting up our personal systems for daily use. In the interest of fairness, let's take one last look at all of the highlighted configurations from the tables above.
When viewed together the task of picking out a couple of the best choices becomes rather simple. A+ ratings, of course, go to the two configurations colored in light green (5:4 for DDR2-1000 CAS4 and 3:2 for DDR2-1200 CAS 5). You may be surprised, as we mentioned earlier, that they both use a humble 400MHz bus speed. If forced to choose another option, close second place awards might go to 450Mhz FSB - 1:1 and DDR2-900 CAS 4, or 4:3 DDR2-1200 CAS 5 (assuming your motherboard is capable of stable operation with the sometimes poorly implemented 4:3 divider). Just do not forget - whatever memory option you choose, be sure to remember the importance of tRD.
In the end we decided to run our Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 at a final FSB of 400MHz with a multiplier of 10.0x at an even 4GHz. Our 4x1GB of OCZ DDR2 PC2-8000 Platinum Extreme Edition memory was set to run at DDR2-1000 (5:4) CAS 4 with a tRD of 5. Ultimately, the ASUS Rampage Formula provided us the ability to build a well-tuned system. Without question, ASUS' addition of BIOS options for direct tRD manipulation was instrumental to our successful overclock. When paired with top-end GPUs from either ATI or NVIDIA, our rig becomes a formidable gaming platform for enjoying today's titles and beyond.
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Orthogonal - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
Just so I understand this correctly, due to the path the data and clocks must travel throughout the devices as explained on page 5, even though you can increase the bandwidth of the Memory modules, the MCH is ultimately the "bottleneck". Historically we falsely assumed higher bandwidth and lower CAS latency translated to better data throughput, but since tRD increased along with it, it was essentially wiped out or unused bandwidth. Now we try to lower tRD as low as possible to reduce MCH latency as it performs the "Clock crossing procedure", which is why the 400Mhz FSB with the lowest tRD latency gives the best data throughput.Also, does this mean that in your "Best Pick" DDR2 configuration summary that the two A+ choices highlighted in Green will effectively result in about the same performance since even though DDR2-1200 has more bandwidth than DDR2-1000, since the tRD=5, they will have the same Trd Delay (12.5ns).
Aivas47a - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
I'm glad to see Asus implementing these new memory phase adjustment options in the bios. Now if they would provide a greater ability to fine-tune GTL reference voltages I would be a happy camper. GTL is a key setting for quad core overclocking success as Raja has helpfully explained in his DFI P35 review. The selectable percentages Asus currently provides are too crude and don't go high enough.mrlobber - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
FCG, your article just flat out rocks, thanks for this one, we needed it badly :)One question about the previous Asus boards: X38 and also P35, which lack the exact tRD manipulation, providing the Transaction Booster stuff instead. As far as I understand, your analysis about the default tRD values set by different default fsb and memory divider combinations could also be used to determine the starting tRD value at least for the X38 chipset as well in a pretty straightforward way, and from that point being able to offset the tRD with Transaction Booster up or down to control it as necessary? (P35 would have different default tRD's, but the underlying principles should stay the same?)
And, by making appropriate changes in x values if needed, your POST / no POST inequality should stay applicable as well, right?
kjboughton - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
All true, although we did talk about how these straps at one time had default tRD values associated with them, the difference has become that these default values are now usually based on the real underlying requirements, such as FSB. Now, exactly how each motherboard vendor sets up and implements this value has a lot to do with how their motherboard falls out in comparison testing. With that being said, boards that perform better generally make use of lower tRD values by default. And because X48 is a speed-binned version of X38, which is superior to P35 with it comes to MCH overclocking, it is also safe to say that the higher-end chipsets will allower the same (or lower) tRD values at FSB levels where the other chipsets may fall flat on their faces. Make sense?Regarding the 'Test POST Equation' - absolutely, I know those equations to be true for X38/X48 but I wouldn't doubt if they ended up being exactly the same for say, P35. A little bit of testing should validate this assumption... ;)
Orthogonal - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
Can we expect a similar analysis and optimization of strappings, timings etc... when an X48 DDR3 compatible board is released?kjboughton - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
Yes, the will be an easy bridge to make. DDR3 is very similar to DDR2 and in a lot of respects is a simply extension of the logic already developed. In any case, we will provide this information for reference when the time comes.daddyo323 - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
I've overclocked a couple cpus before, and each time, I had stability problems due to memory.I have built many systems, but since gave up on overclocking... these new Cores and chipsets look like they were made for it...
My question is, was that CPU stable at 4ghz, and could we have a chart on which settings to set, exactly... I wonder how far we can push this platform with the air cooling.
kjboughton - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
Everything you want to know, about more, about this CPU can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc...">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc...We used the same CPU that can be read about in the above review. The short answer is yes, we were completely stable at 4GHz with just 1.28V real under load.
Cheers,
Kris
Quiksilver - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
Has there been an ETA on the release date of the X48 chipset? I thought they were supposed to come out in December but they never appeared and this would be the second X48 preview I've seen for AT. Also I remember seeing a flow chart somewhere that had DDR2 & DDR3 being the differences between X38 and X48 of which X38 had both but now it seems X48 has DDR2 as well but will the DDR2 boards be available at launch or are they coming later on?Gary Key - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
ASUS is telling us mid-February for the X48 launch now. Gigabyte and MSI have confirmed that also, but we have had dates confirmed about a dozen times over the last two months and it always seems to change about three days before the next "official" launch. ;)